i have heard her sing this song several times

Nanucbe · April 14, 2008, 1:48pm

1. I have heard her sing this tuy nhiên several times.

She has been heard to tát sing this tuy nhiên several times by mạ.
If you have ‘I have heard her singing this tuy nhiên several times,’ you can have the passive ‘She has been heard singing this tuy nhiên several times by mạ.

The passives sound odd.

It’s your duty to tát vì thế this work.
=> It’s your duty to tát get this worked done

This is not exactly right.
‘It has been allotted as your duty to tát vì thế this work,’ Where the decision rests on someone else.
‘Getting something done’ is not equal to tát ‘doing work.’

a. Nobody has slept in this room for long time.
b. You ordered mạ about and I was tired for it.
a. The first can be written in passive “This room has not been slept in by anyone for a longtime”. If ‘this room has not been used for a long time’ is correct this is also correct.
b. The first section can be written ‘I was ordered about by you,’ but the second section of the sentence may not yield to tát a passive transformation. I feel that the added section should be reworded.
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Nessie · April 16, 2008, 4:20pm

Hi Nanucbe,
Thanks a lot for your help.

For question 1, you haven’t been very clear on your choice, and you haven’t told the difference between the two usages

For question 2, I agree that my way of changing the sentence into passive voice is not very exact, but are you sure the sentence “It has been allotted as your duty to tát vì thế this work” is right? (sorry, I don’t mean to tát cause any vexation but it just sounds weird to tát me…)

For question 3a: I don’t think if ‘this room has not been used for a long time’ is correct then “This room has not been slept in by anyone for a longtime”
Actually I thought of this way of changing, but I feel ví skeptical because “this room” is not the subject of “slept”

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For question 3b, could you please clarify the meaning of the sentence for me? I can’t understand it

Many thanks one more time
Nessie

Nanucbe · April 16, 2008, 10:59pm

the two usages
1.Your sentence has only sing and not singing. So the suggestion. I feel that ‘several times’ can also cause problems.
2. The person who has allotted this is not given but it is understood it is someone who has the authority to tát vì thế ví.
3. It is only on the condition that if’this room has not been used by anyone can be acceptable.
Most of your doubts are doubts which will make a grammarian give only very evasive answers. The English language is a beautiful one and will give room to tát beautiful constructions.

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Molly · April 17, 2008, 5:51am

“She has been heard singing this tuy nhiên several times (by me).” But, not every active sentence has a (useful) passive equivalent. To mạ, that’s one of them.

When on earth would one need the passive khuông of that?

This doesn’t work with “heard”, IMO.

She has been heard to tát sing this tuy nhiên several times.

Better:

She has been known to tát sing this tuy nhiên several times.